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IMG_1593Speaking of new flatmates, my brother is living in the room down the hall and waxing lovingly philosophical about anarchy. Check it out: http://jesseambrose.wordpress.com/ :

…I agree with a lot of the anarcho-primitivist “movement”, as it were, however I wonder if maybe anarcho-primitivism is nothing more than another system trying to make life as pain-free as possible. Of course, anarcho-primitivism’s criticism of civilization is that we don’t need a system. But in efforts to detach ourselves from the current system, are we merely advocating a different one? Systems run on ideals- ideals that say if everything was a certain way, life would be perfect, or at least better. The ideal that everyone should be free, for example (of course any system that claims to advocate freedom for all is directly at odds with itself). But what I wonder is, does God’s kingdom run on an idealistic system? …

In late highschool, friend Ben Carr and I used to have a ton of these same directions, thanks in no small part to the craziness that is the Psalters, and later mewithoutYou and Shane Claiborne. I’m glad Jess’ is thinking about the same issues, and hopefully he recognizes when I give him grief, I’m often playing devil’s advocate.

What do you think, are all concepts of anarchy a bunch of shit, or is there something to be learned/adopted from the freegans and freeloaders? Head over to his blog and weigh in (and I mean you, Jrhymes).

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6 responses

  1. jrhymes

    sigh. i dont even know where to start. i do tend to ignore the ramblings of anarchists (not that your brother is one, in fact he says he wouldnt call himself that), but perhaps I will make an exception and attempt to explain the inherent necessity of society, civilization, capitalism, and other so-called evil “systems” in today’s world.

    October 24, 2009 at 12:03 pm

  2. bonzojferardi

    an⋅ar⋅chy
      
    –noun
    1. a state of society without government or law.
    2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.
    3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
    4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

    So just how would a society under anarchy work, human nature being what it is? I see anarchy on the road every day and I fear for my life…

    October 24, 2009 at 12:04 pm

  3. I recommend you guys read Jess’ blog to more fully understand what he’s discussing.

    My understanding is that most “Christian anarchists,” btw, look to the book of Judges as the best God-given model of government, which is fascinating to me–God did say, after all, that he was mighty pissed off when the Israelites asked for a king…

    October 24, 2009 at 12:16 pm

  4. j rhymes

    ya He was, because they were sinfully desirous of a government that made them more like their pagan neighbors.
    However, God used their Kings for his purposes, rather than denying their request.

    and the ultimate point is: God did establish a form of government, not an anarchist systemless environment that seems to be advocated by today’s “anarcho-primitivists”

    October 26, 2009 at 7:23 am

  5. the rest of my thoughts are here: http://lfodh.blogspot.com/2009/10/on-civilization-anarchy.html

    enjoy.

    October 26, 2009 at 4:22 pm

  6. Brother

    One could argue that the Israelites were the ones to ask for a king, ie government, and said societal form before that was not government as we know it today.

    There are also great differences between different forms of anarchy. Off the top of my head I couldn’t tell you the different names, but some will argue that there is no duty to obey laws set up by government today, some believe that laws do happen to fall along the lines of how we should act, so we might as well obey some of them, and some advocate specific disobedience. Of course the key to it all is whether or not you believe man is inherently selfish and evil, or on the opposite end, minimally cooperative. So then the question becomes do we truly socialize evil? Without society would evil deeds such as murder and rape occur? If they still would, how in a state of anarchy, would these people be reined in? Some anarchists would argue that peer pressure would be enough… I sort of doubt whether that would work – especially with today’s governments and society already set up, I don’t think most people possess the mental discipline and means to remove themselves so far that they could rely on peer pressure alone.

    October 29, 2009 at 10:59 am

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